You are right proxmox backup server but it does seem to have the ability to support modules (ie: the tape module that allows backups to tape drives). I purpose to add another module similar to the tape module and add plugin capability to support the different cloud platforms. The first one being Sia.
I have spent some time with rclone and it is not as easy to setup and use as the instructions and hookscripts suggests. This impedes the vast majority of people that might backup to sia from using the project. Also according to my read of the docs it does a full backup every time it backs up to any platform with rclone which is less than optimal.
Hi Nate, there would be no difference between someone doing the dev work themselves and my hiring a developer to do the project. As mentioned in the proposal this is not the first project I have managed and this is not the first development project that I have managed.
I purpose to add another module similar to the tape module in proxmox backup server and add plugin capability to support the different cloud platforms. The first one is Sia. I have plans to add some premium features that will be closed source (not part of the project and not funded by it) and that would include some additional cloud plugins (s3 for example).
Thanks for your proposal! Just a note that we received this just after our cutoff for committee review for April 18th. It will be considered during the next committee meeting on May 2nd.
Thanks for the proposal! The committee isn’t quite sold on the technical feasibility yet and is requesting additional information.
We’re not familiar enough with Proxmox to make a determination as to the logistics - it appears as if you’ll need to get the Sia integration accepted into their core code rather than being able to publish it independently. The lack of a developer is also an orange flag for us. Not having an experienced dev lined up can cause significant project delays as working with new blockchain code can be a daunting task, though we understand the possible Catch-22 of finding a dev before you have the money to find a dev.
The committee would like to see this proposal updated in the following ways:
Line up a developer to work on the project who can attest to the technical feasibility, or;
Submit a feature request to the Proxmox team explaining the project and getting their thoughts with more technical info on the integration.
Regards,
Kino on behalf of the Sia Foundation and Grants Committee
it looks like proxmox group is not going to respond to this request. Not sure why. But loaded a test instance of the backup server and I took a look at it and the web interface is javascript and seems to be easily extendable. In fact I added a cloud backup option as a test to make sure that it was as extendable as I thought. Here is a pic of my investigation.
You will see a cloud backup option in the dashboard even though there is not a cloud backup option. Right now I am pointing it to the existing tape module but it could just as easily be pointed to a cloud backup module.
I got your most recent post in discord. it is kinda looking like there is a bias against people that are not already developers. I withdraw my application. I might decide to close-source it at a later date. Thanx.
Hi,
Even though I can understand your disappointment, what you say is not completely true.
When I applied with the Sia Satellite proposal, I was not a professional developer (which I am still not), but I already had a (really) Minimal Working Product available. I am not fully aware of what exactly convinced the Committee to approve my proposal, but I can make a good guess that it was one of the reasons.
It is of course up to you whether to go on with your proposal or not; my personal opinion is that you may be giving up too quickly.
This would have been an easier pill to swallow if the foundation would have come up with a bit of $$$ to do the additional testing they are requesting to be done. I have already spent a fair amount of time ($$$) to allay their thoughts with regard to feasibility.
You made a grant proposal for developing the full integration/extension, so for approval there needs to be some confidence that the project is even possible from a technical point of view. An example of existing third-party backup extensions to Proxmox could already be enough. If the research for this takes up too much time, you could also change the grant to be a smaller research-only grant for now (similar to for example Grant Proposal: Sia Atomic Swap with Adaptor Signatures Feasibility Study) and later apply for another one if the research turns out successful.
mmmm, what would the foundation need from a feasibility study perspective? The web interface is javascript that is easily changeable which allowed me to set up an additional option on the left-hand desktop pane.
Thanks for the update rdwild! The committee wasn’t sure that the change showed in the forum provides actual proof of feasibility - the ability to extend the local interface to provide cloud backup options doesn’t mean that Proxmox will accept your code contributions.
Without hearing from Proxmox, are you able to provide an example of an existing Proxmox extension that does something similar that similarly isn’t natively supported? This is what the committee would like to see to feel confident in the projects viability.
Regards,
Kino on behalf of the Sia Foundation and Grants Committee
As far as I am aware, no one else other than proxmox is working on the proxmox backup server. they do have a process to have code accepted into the main branch but just like with any other development project, there is always a chance they won’t accept the developed code. That is the risk of every open-source project as you probably know to well. The option if the code is not accepted would be to fork the original project.
The other option would be to wait and see if Proxmox develops a cloud module themselves.
We discussed the status of Proxmox today. Our issue right now still stands with the technical feasibility of the project - would you be interested in a smaller proposal to ascertain this first?
We approved a similar proposal for Sia Atomic Swap and wanted to offer the same if you think it’s reasonable and might deliver a stronger case to the Foundation.
Regards,
Kino on behalf of the Sia Foundation and Grants Committee
