Suggestions for Siacoin to grow and become popular
I can assure you are are reading all this, and we understand many of you have purchased Siacoin and want to see us make an incredible amount of progress in a very short period of time. We are very happy with how things are going so far, and with each release we make huge improvements to the network. Please make sure you read the triannual update (https://blog.sia.tech/sia-may-august-2017-update-8929f21c56f7) to understand our progress in the last 4 months. Our growth has been huge.
With regard to more marketing and such, it would not make sense to advertise a service that is not ready for primetime yet. We are still 2-3 years of everyone else in the decentralized storage space, but Sia is not ready to be downloaded and used by average users. While many projects spend their resources on ads, we spend ours on development.
With regards to a free option, this goes against everything we stand for. Sia is a decentralized storage network, which means there are no middlemen or trusted third parties. We are not going to cut corners by adding a centralized layer that subsidizes storage on the network, or some kind of free option that compromises security.
We are making really fast progress, and have a very aggressive roadmap! We will get there, but we are not going to cut corners.
ith regard to more marketing and such, it would not make sense to advertise a service that is not ready for primetime yet. We are still 2-3 years of everyone else in the decentralized storage space, but Sia is not ready to be downloaded and used by average users. While many projects spend their resour
Salutations zherbert, Thank you for the response. However, please explain your rationalization as to how giving a limited free option 1. Goes against everything you stand for? 2. How creating a limited "free option" would do anything but assist in securing the network by building adoption?
From an outside point of view if anything this would be driven by how much the Hosts wish to provide for "free" and would serve as a huge bonus for drawing familiarity and ultimately large data consumers into the fold. If there is a technical reason why this cannot work I am sure many of us on here would love to hear it. There is a reason companies like VMWARE, Citrix, Microsoft, and many other software companies give away limited use products - it builds brand confidence and market share through accessibility.
On a Final note, when you say "With regards to a free option, this goes against everything we stand for. " It makes you guys sound like tyrants in the harshest interpretation and at the very least not open to new ideas. You cannot say it goes against everything "we" stand for, when you have no idea what the opinion of those who support, and provide the resources to the system have on the subject. In a manner of speaking you guys are crafting the pick-axe(the software), the community by large are the ones mining the gold (the currency ) and providing the finished product - Storage(Hosts) One part does not work without the other. You should at the very least crowd source an idea before swatting it down and definitely avoid speaking on behalf of the community as a whole. This isn't a dictatorship and if you guys see it as such this project will ultimately fail.
With that said, Thank you for everything you do and continue to do to push the product forward.
Thank you for your response, I look forward to you clarifying at your earliest convenience.
My take on SiaCoin as a complete newcomer to it.
I laughed like a loon as I sold off my original CPU mined BTC at $7 each. I try not to think about this too much - and have another few decades of work ahead of me.
Inspired by BTC, we got a shit-load of "blockchain based currencies" that have sprung up after BTC, all saying "we'll be the next one".
Well frankly they can't be. A few technical deviations between them is interesting, but not going to shift anything.
BTC is the "gold standard" - except unlike gold you can't even use it to make pretty or useful things. It relies on people thinking it has worth, and the tortuous process for most of us of converting it to/from real world money.
So, whoever wants to be next has to offer something demonstrably interesting and different.
I think SiaCoin is different.
I like the idea of the currency being associated with something that's actually useful to consume.
I pay google actual money each month for my cloud storage. I would like not to have to do this.
I've used Resilio and the like to allow my non-tech family to share photos and the like. Distributed storage is quite easy for people to accept, if it's simply "install this app and enter this code" and you can see your grand-daughter's photos.
Where SiaCoin (to me at least) is f'ing up completely is by separating the two aspects that make the currency unique, to a degree of major user annoyance.
I came across you last week and installed SiaUI. I was looking forward to using you for cloud storage. erm could I? NOPE.
- First off the sync time is stupid.
Cache a daily consensus.db and just dump that to each new client install ( I trust you not to poison it).
There is NO UX paradigm to entice new users that involves "installing it and then running your PC overnight before you can actually do anything"
- "Yay, I'm synced and wish to start offering/using distributed storage!"
What happens next? Well seemingly I need 500 coins to get a payout from mining to consume and 2000 coins to offer..
How do I get these? Well I have to mine for a week or two...installs and stares at Marlin
As it stands I've got another few days to wait until I can actually "use" Sia, and therefore appreciate any difference between this and any other random blockchain thing.
My suggestion would be to combine the miner and the cloud storage app into a single entity - with an easy mechanism to buy Sia with paypal or something right upfront.
Basically tell people they need to pay upfront for storage they want now - but then they can manage their ongoing storage by letting the miner run in the background.
If I had to sum it all up, it would be to position Siacoin not as a "cryptocurrency" - but as a cloud storage provider, that can pay for itself as long as you approve some GPU access.
- First off the sync time is stupid.
Or more simply, just have an app people can install, that creates a shared folder ( like google drive/drop box/One Drive/whatever) - and by default nothing syncs.
If people wish to sync, just let them spend disk space, CPU - or some easy mechanism to buy Siacoin directly. All from your public facing app.
Basically back to my point in OP, that you have the potential to get a load more buy-in from the vast majority of "people with computers" by presenting as a storage service, rather than yet another cryptocurrency.
@zherbert People who want to make money from sharing their hard drive. advertise them, as many know
My suggestion is to create a channel on youtube, where you can show trader opportunity and project news.
siacoin can sponsor events like Dash does with fights, games and events
Have to agree with Rizz, you need to break down the barriers to entry.
To buy SIA storage you first need Bitcoin, then Exchange BTC to SIA, then send to wallet.
For your average consumer, and many have yet to fathom Bitcoin, this is a huge ask.
- a brokerage from local currency direct into SIA Storage
- easy exchange from other crypto to SIA aka Shapeshift / Exodus .
Small baby steps, but as someone working in IT and doing a lot in Cloud, I love the principles of SIA and see huge potential. Keep up the great work.
I do not know whether Siacoin members are accepting these donations. But I know many people are interested in Siacoin and look forward to the good. Listen to us and respond.
I'll set up a service to buy sicaoins via paypal...
I had that thought for long, but the issue is if people are willing to trust such a service?
The intention should be buying smaller amounts NOT for speculation or investing but to get people going. Today it is a bit tedious to buy one coin and having it exchanged to SIA
However the process of having the full client running does not go away, since today this is the only way to interact with the network and is also the only proven wallet.
I agree with the fact that getting siacoin can be a hurdle, but times are changing and coinbase is rolling out https://buy.coinbase.com/ which will allow 3rd party devs to incorporate buying BTC,ETH,LTC straight from there app or website, if you combine this with shapeshift's API Sia could have a easy solution integrated into there website on there homepage to buy SIACOIN instantly with bank transfer or credit card. I think this would be huge and the Dev's at SIA should really consider it or someone in the community should take it upon themselves to build this portal the tools are here now. I ask you why not.
You have to be careful about this in the US,
I'll set up a service to buy sicaoins via paypal...
unless you have the correct state permits it is considered to be operating an illegal money transmitter service and you could get sentenced to 5 years in jail